An Interview with Countess Benckendorff
Father, we last spoke like this two years ago in May 2024. Since then a lot has happened in our world and not much good. Personally, I have survived thanks to the Romanian Church, to my garden, the roses, which are now at the end of May already in bud, and to one or two clothes shops which have not yet closed and which I love. You know how important that is to me, you even came with us once to Cambridge, where I bought that lovely dark red coat from John Lewis, you remember. I don’t buy much, it is too expensive, but I do like good quality. That is my weakness. Anyway, enough of these women’s matters, let us pass to serious things.
The Russian Church Hierarchy
Countess Benckendorff: I want to know what you are thinking about our Russian Church. Patriarch Kyrill is 80 years old. The question everyone is asking is who will be the next Russian Patriarch?
Father Andrew: Countess, how should I know?!
On paper, there is a choice of candidates between a liberal and a conservative. The liberal is the ecumenist, the very young and totally unprincipled careerist Metr Antony (Sevriuk). I know about him, since over 20 years ago a friend of mine studied with him in Saint Petersburg. He was much disliked by the other seminarists as a ‘grass’, стукач. He has been the new favourite ever since the first scandal with Metr Hilarion (Alfeyev), who is nearly 60. (The latter has just been feted in nationalist Moscow and presented as the innocent victim of Western machinations, but has still been sent into new exile in Brazil. His career is over). On the other hand, the nationalist conservative wing wants Metr Tikhon (Shevkunov), 68 this year, who is currently in the Crimea, building his fantastic nationalist history Church theme park, New Chersonese.
Now, liberals and conservatives have always existed in the Church and always will do. In the fourth century St Epiphanius of Salamis in Cyprus was considered a conservative and he accused St John Chrysostom of being a liberal. But both are saints. The problem is not in liberal or conservative tendencies, it is in excesses, because excesses lead to schisms, the refusal to concelebrate. In the time of Christ on earth, the pharisees were conservatives, but extreme ones, and the saducees were liberals, but extreme ones. This is true of the Russian Church today, where there are also such extremes.
The excessive nationalist, isolationist and racist conservatives, who condemn and despise every Orthodox in every other Local Church, who is not Russian, as racially inferior, sound like FSB Stalinists or Old Ritualists. They are wrong. Their centre is the new heavy and gloomy Military Cathedral outside Moscow, which is like a Museum of Stalinism.
A Cathedral in memory of the 27 million Soviet citizens, 18 million civilians and 9 million military, murdered by the Nazis, should have been dedicated to the Resurrection, full of light, shining like a beacon of hope, painted a brilliant white outside. It should not have been a tomb of gloom, where you shudder
And as for the hideous heathen mausoleum in Moscow with Lenin’s rotted mummy inside, it should be bulldozed tonight and replaced with a beautiful white church dedicated to the New Martyrs and Confessors as soon as possible. Then we could at last say that Russia has thrown off Stalinism – which it clearly has not. Here the Ukrainians, who change Stalinist place names in the Ukraine, are right. The trouble is that then they impose new place names in honour of Nazis….
On the other hand, the excessive liberals (Uminsky, Kuraev etc), who have joined the Patriarchate of Constantinople, sound like Protestant ecumenists or else right-wing CIA agents who hate Russia, like the two ROCOR bishops. These extreme liberals are wrong, they are just secularists, pro-Americans, who want to see Russia destroyed. This is crass American nationalism! For instance, the American Synod has supported CIA policies in the Ukraine, called for Russian troops to abandon the persecuted Russians in the Eastern Ukraine, and as a result has lost many Russian faithful.
Significantly, however, the old Russians being purged from ROCOR are largely being replaced by rebaptised, ultra-conservative Protestant converts, bearded fake Russians, ‘more Orthodox than the Orthodox’, until they lapse, as they always do. Their lapse is usually into the spiritual irrelevance of old calendarist sects, which are basically just Protestant, as they are protest groups. The new ROCOR is full of hatred, like all spiritually irrelevant sects, because hatred for others is how they justify the fact that they are precisely a sect. Hatred is the sign of dark sectarianism. Love is the sign of the Church. ‘I am the Light of the world’, said Christ, He never said that He is the darkness of the sect.
Before the Revolution, the liberal Metr Antony Vadkovsky of Saint Petersburg protected the revolutionary Fr George Gapon, who was something of a debauchee as well as a pro-Marxist political activist, before being murdered. On the other hand, at that time there was the conservative Metr Antony of Kiev (Khrapovitsky), with his young, educated monks, so many of whom then had to be defrocked. However, neither of these was made Patriarch, indeed the first had already died by 1917. Instead, the 1918 Council elected, by lot, the saintly missionary from America, Tikhon, as Patriarch. That was the right choice, the third way, the mystical way, the way of prophecy, the way of the Holy Spirit. Why do we have to put up with another liberal or another conservative? They do not inspire. They are only politicians.
St Tikhon refused to bless whites or reds, saying that all Orthodox are his flock. This is what should have happened in 2022, following the example of St Nicholas of Tokyo, who, when Japan treacherously attacked Russia causing war in 1904, simply disappeared from public life and prayed for peace. A just peace is the only victory for all. Similarly, in 2008 Patriarch Alexis II called for and won peace in Georgia, after the Georgians had invaded South Abkhazia, murdering 1500 plus locals and Russian peacekeepers, and the Russians responded. (True, the Patriarch died rather mysteriously only a few months later). This peacemaking is what should have happened in the Ukraine in 2022. Sadly…..
This is our only hope now. That an as yet unknown candidate will appear, sent by the Holy Spirit to save the Russian Church from the schismatic isolation that its present leaders have created for it. This is what Elder Nikolai Guryanov hinted at. Surely such a Patriarch will refrock all those defrocked anti-canonically for purely political reasons, just as the Patriarchate and the American Synod refrocked each other in 2007, and instead defrock the dozens of utterly corrupt and criminal ‘administrator-bishops’ who lord it freely in the Russian Church today, demanding money at every turn (you remember, how our solicitor told us that it was illegal), bullying, threatening and intimidating in a terror regime, and so destroying parishes and parish life.
Will God send an Archpastor as Patriarch and not a Politician? At present the Russian Church, including ROCOR, runs on terror, intimidation and bullying from bishops. What about a Church which runs on Love from bishops? We can only hope. If not, for its sins, the Russian Church may be closed down in Western Europe, as the EU is threatening to do to Russian churches in Armenia. How long before the EU and UK close down the Russian Church on their territory by force? Everyone will have to flee for protection to the Romanian Patriarchate then, as it has already offered.
CB: With so many scandals, political, sexual and financial, especially among the Orthodox episcopate, which so upset me, where do we go?
FA: With the many, many scandals in Russia and in the jurisdiction of Constantinople, the scandalous suspension for political reasons of the righteous Metr Tykhikos in Cyprus, and the homosexual scandal in Moldova, there is much to be appalled at. But I found the solution fifty years ago.
Fifty years ago, in 1976, there were in England two diocesan Orthodox bishops. One was a homosexual bureaucrat who ordained his boyfriends (they are nearly all dead now), and had a pedophile vicar-bishop in London. The other had multiple mistresses and women soon learned to avoid him. (In the 1950s there had been three such bishops in ROCOR, one in Germany and one in Austria, Bishop Nathanail, and a third, again in Germany, Bp Philip Gardner, who left the episcopate to marry. He at least was honest, though Bp Nathanail did repent after his mistake and spent seventeen years in Munich).
So in 1976 I decided that there was only way to save my soul: To follow the saints, and not money and power. The Church on earth will be saved by the Holy Spirit, not by ‘princes of the Church’, the dollar-loving politicians. This is how we overcome the depredations of patriarchs and other bishops, through the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of the saints. That is what I expressed in my May 2006 talk at the Fourth ROCOR Council in San Francisco, warmly greeted as inspirational then, but now completely ignored by the new ROCOR, but their organisation is dying out. I warned them. Told them so.
We joined the old ROCOR, despite the CIA sectarian corruption already among a few in it, because of the many New Martyrs and Confessors, whom the old ROCOR had bravely canonised. We follow the saints. That was why we believed that ROCOR should have merged with the Moscow Patriarchate in 2000, straight after the August Jubilee Council in Moscow, when they too canonised a great many New Martyrs and Confessors; instead, we showed patience and had to wait until 2007. And by 2017 we realised that the merger had tragically been rejected by the new ROCOR episcopate, that there would be no organic merger and metropolitanisation, that is, localisation and incarnation, as CIA-manipulated sectarianism reared its ugly head in the new, schismatic New York sect of ROCOR after 2017.
Later, after we had all received canonical releases from the Moscow Patriarchate in 2022, we joined the Romanian Church, which then canonised 32 Saints, mainly New Martyrs and Confessors, some of whom we will be venerating in the future frescoes in our main church. We follow the saints. This year, after frescoing the little church with the Saints of these Isles, we will be celebrating the Ancient Saints of Western Europe at the International Congress in Rome of the nearly 1,100 parishes of our Metropolia of Western and Southern Europe. We follow the saints. Our church in Colchester had been dedicated to St Alban. In November 1962 St John left England, entrusting us to St Alban. This is why we had painted in the Ukraine the large icon of St Alban and St John holding our church. We follow the saints.
CB: Do you miss the Russian Church, which I and my husband once so loved and worked for in those idealistic days of the 90s?
FA: Yes, I regret the disappearance of the best of the old emigre Russian Orthodox Church, in which I had been brought up since 1972. By 2022 it had gone. In just fifty years. Where it had not died out, it had largely been replaced by that Soviet-style superstitious ritualism, you know what I mean, or by some weird and fanatical unstable Protestant converts, who know almost nothing and understood even less.
Only a few old Russian emigres born in the 30s and 40s, from the second generation, are left. We have an example here, born in 1940, whom we see regularly, Olga, whose roses you look after. She had an awful experience in the ROCOR Church in London, to which she had belonged until 2010 and had given generously. There she was treated appallingly by a former KGB agent at that church. She will never return to ROCOR, though she is of a Russian aristocratic family, like yourself.
St John of Shanghai and Western Europe, Archbishop Antony of Geneva, Archbishop George Tarasov, Archbishop Seraphim of Brussels, were real bishops. Fr Alexander Trubnikov, Fr Sophrony Sakharov, Fr Alexei Kniazev, Fr Vsevolod Dunayev, Fr Igor Vernik, Fr Ioan Pekarski were real priests. These were my fathers in the Faith and they came from all the jurisdictions. But they are all gone now.
They are gone from all three parts of the Russian Church in the Diaspora; from the part whose leadership sided with the corrupt Soviet State; from the part whose leadership sided with the corrupt Pre-Revolutionary State; from the part whose leadership wanted to corrupt Russia in the Western way, like themselves. But the real clergy were those who sided with the people, not with the leadership. Those real clergy were above petty and unloving jurisdictions, who went to whatever church was nearest to their home, disregarding the lack of love, the labels and the ideologies at the top.
CB: Why are ordinary Russian Orthodox in Russia especially so negative towards their hierarchy? Is it all about money?
FA: Yes, firstly, there is money. The senior bishops preach an ascetic life, while living in luxury, when many of the people are not at all well-off. Many of the senior bishops are mini-oligarchs who rule their dioceses under harsh, totalitarian regimes, as ROCOR now does also. One metropolitan in Russia I met in 2012 has recently even bankrupted his important metropolia. Many of the priests are very poor because the bishops steal their money with threats, like mafia gangsters. As a result, you have a huge number of scandals, like that in the Skopin Diocese in Russia, or in Kolomna (among several others) and that here in England.
The technique of the oligarch-bishop is to give good parishes to his greedy, careerist yesmen, sacking and making homeless the good priests and their families. Then the parishes collapse and their assets can be sold off. This is exactly the technique closely studied and imitated by the new ROCOR episcopate. This is a feudal system. The churches of such bishops are emptying. They are not Christians.
Secondly, there is the support for the war, with bishops and priests blessing guns, shells, tanks, missiles, machine guns etc. Are they even Christians? The present wave of Stalinist nationalism in Moscow, with its literal purges of priests who pray for peace, ‘enemies of the people’, is symptomatic of this anti-Christian, militaristic, Stalinist spirit.
Thirdly, there is the hypocrisy of personal vice, the homosexuals like the former Bp Gury of Paris, Metr Hilarion and the two Ignatys, Grindr users, the pedophiles and homosexuals of ROCOR, the Moscow pedophiles, like ‘Aunty Julia’, you know who I mean, and the former metropolitan in the Ukraine, the many bishops who have mistresses/wives, like the former Metr Ioann in Paris (though the late Filaret of Kiev is the best-known), then there are the alcoholics (too numerous to mention), the drug-sellers like Bishops Flavian and Maxim, who fled back to London, and, admittedly, the most innocent of all, the professional poker player, Metr Nestor. All that is unimaginable for us who knew the old emigre Russian Church. A bishop who plays professional poker!!!
Traditional values? Three out of four Russian bishops in one metropolia, you know which one, are homosexuals – the fourth is a widowed priest. And that is only one example. It is all just hypocrisy. And the same is true of the Patriarchate of Constantinople. There is nothing to choose here between Moscow and Constantinople, with its absurd and criminal OCU. Russia has still not repented for 1917. Elder Nikolai Guryanov said it. The Tsar’s servants are still not canonised, except for Evgeny Botkin. And there is still huge disrespect and even hatred for the Tsar and the Tsarina themselves. All that is happening in Russia and the Ukraine is a hangover, self-punishment for the unrepented sin of 1917.
Clearly, the Orthodoxy of such people is all for show, just clerical ritual, there is nothing inside. That is why some services now are just peopled by clerics in uniform and the people have fled. What proportion of these people are actually atheists? In the first quarter of 2026 alone, 50 priests were defrocked in Russia. (Why were they ordained in the first place? How much did they pay for ordination?) Other priests go ‘zashtat’, that is, they go off roll, effectively retiring to escape episcopal oppression.
For me, however, the main problem is theological.
The Catholicity of the Church
CB: What do you mean by that?
FA: The main problem is the destruction of the Catholicity, Соборность, of the Russian Church through schism. How have the Patriarchate of Moscow and ROCOR become international laughing stocks, losing all respect? The one is a nationalist ghetto church in self-isolation and the other a schismatic church of pharisees and fanatics. Such schism is precisely the result of the lack of Catholicity, the sense of unity of the sixteen Local Churches. Let me give you an example of this from the emigration.
I remember being told how in 1964, after the death of the very ill and demented Metr Anastasy, the American ROCOR Synod had to elect a new metropolitan. Archbp Vitaly and Archbp John of Shanghai tied for the post. Archbp John put forward Bp Philaret, the youngest bishop, as the future metropolitan, the unity candidate, thus keeping Church unity which had been threatened, and also leading to the canonisation of the New Martyrs and Confessors.
Archbp Vitaly, ever ambitious, went home with his white metropolitan’s hat in his suitcase (he had brought it with him, as he had been sure that he would be elected). When Archbp Vitaly was finally elected metropolitan 22 years later, in 1986, he told everyone at his first Synod that ‘Соборность, Catholicity, is over, now I am in charge’. Archbp Antony of Geneva, who had obtained just as many votes in 1986, but had refused to become metropolitan, told us the story when he got back from New York, with that ironic smile he had. Apparently, the CIA Bp Gregory Grabbe had even threatened to get the information about ‘the Brazilian’ out of the Synod safe against Archbp Vitaly – but that is another story for another time.
Well, here in Archbp Vitaly is an example of ‘Orthodox’ Papism, the alien and anti-Catholicity doctrine which is now followed by certain Patriarchs….though not by the saintly Patriarch Ilie of Georgia and the saintly Patriarch Pavle of Serbia.
CB: What do you think is the future of the divided Churches in the Ukraine and in Africa?
FA: I don’t know.
But I will say that through their infighting in Africa, the Russian Church (which has largely established its jurisdiction by recruiting 300 poor priests in Africa, simply by paying them $600 instead of the Greek $200 a month) and the nationalist Greek Church, which tries to make Africans into Greeks, have both lost the mass of Africans. They are both compromised. The Russian Church lost all sympathy for uncanonical Greek imperialism in the Ukraine by barging into Greek Alexandria’s canonical territory in the same uncanonical way. The only African country where the Greek Church has complete loyalty is Kenya, where Metropolitan Makarios (Tillyrides), my old friend from fifty years ago, is so respected.
And they have both lost Western Europe, for the same reason. And they have both lost what will remain of the Ukraine, where they have both made themselves hated. And Moscow is now losing Moldova for the same reason, treating Moldovans as second-class citizens, as Metropolitan Vladimir admitted to me at the Metropolia in Kishinev last October.
All is lost for the same reason, because they squabbled about someone else’s territory, like unashamed colonial imperialists. There is only one solution: when the bosses are incompetent and greedy, autocephaly must come. It is called decolonisation.
The Demographic Crisis
CB: Some predict that some countries in the world will die out because of rapidly declining birthrates, for example, in Italy and Germany and even more in Japan and South Korea. Do you think this is true?
FA: I was brought up on the UN myth of overpopulation – soon there would be so many people that the Earth would collapse. It was of course all nonsense. In the last half of the twentieth century that myth of overpopulation was commonly proclaimed. In fact, there is plenty for everyone, if only there is fair distribution of resources, and wars and injustices stop.
Now we often see the refusal to have children, which is causing the gradual decline in the birthrate in certain countries. This is the result of economic slavery, impossible lives, whereby both husbands and wives have to work very hard just in order to survive. The only thing that counts in secular culture is GDP, so all must work. And it is almost impossible to have a family with two hard-working wage-earners – in fact wage-slaves.
This is the result of the lack of respect for mothers and motherhood. And that comes in many Western societies in part from the Protestant rejection of veneration of the Mother of God. Consequently, there has been the conditioning, indoctrination and brainwashing of girls to make them think that they are boys. As a result, they cannot cope with having children and also gender confusion has ensued. Put simply, the world will die out only if family life is made impossible. And that is what they are trying to do, though they have not succeeded in this.
As you know, it is also the Orthodox world where birthrates are declining very rapidly, partly because of the dreadful situation and the millions of deaths in the Ukraine, but birthrates in Russia, Romania, Serbia, Bulgaria and Greece are also only about 1.5 children per woman and going down. The time will come when the Orthodox population of the world will decline from 200 million to 150 million. It is suicide.
CB: Thank you, Father. Your words about the lack of respect for mothers and motherhood are close to my heart.
High Suffolk, May-June 2026
Published: All Saints Sunday, 7 June 2026
